Here Are 5 Fundamental Habits for Lasting Weight Loss with Amy Lang

Christine Li  0:00  
Welcome back to the Make Time for Success podcast. This is episode number 115. If you've been on the roller coaster of up and down weight changes, and dieting, or if you're curious about how to change your habits more successfully, this episode with Amy Lang has all your answers. Amy is the host of the Happy and Healthy with Amy Lang podcast and founder of Moxie Club, where she teaches women how to achieve lasting weight loss and to create deep health. Prior to starting Moxie club, Amy worked with 1000s of clients over 15 plus years as the owner of Pacific Heights health club in San Francisco. She loves sharing what works and what doesn't work when it comes to motivation and creating healthy habits. And she loves empowering women and helping them become joyful eaters. I can personally attest to the fact that Amy is a wonderful coach. Right after interviewing her I went off and immediately started eating more fruits and vegetables. There are so many great tips inside this episode, I want you to hear all of them. So let's go listen to this episode together now.

Hi, I'm Dr. Christine Li, and I'm a psychologist and a procrastination coach. I've helped 1000s of people move past procrastination and overwhelm so they can begin working to their potential. In this podcast, you're going to learn a powerful strategies for getting your mind, body and energy to work together so that you can focus on what's really important and accomplish the goals you want to achieve. When you start living within your full power, you're going to see how being productive can be easy, and how you can create success on demand. Welcome to the Make Time for Success podcast. 

Hello everyone. Today I am sitting with the lovely Amy Lang. We are looking at each other on video. But we're both excited today to talk to you about habits and many other things other than habits but we're both very obsessed with the idea of habit change habit formation and habit success. Amy calls herself the habit whisperer and I can't wait to interview her today so that we know exactly what she does and what she knows. welcome Amy to the show.

Amy Lang  2:28  
Thank you so much for having me. I'm thrilled to be here and I'm excited for a fun filled conversation.

Christine Li  2:35  
Yes, absolutely. Amy is totally fun, by the way. So Amy, tell us a few things about you and your history and your journey and how you've gotten to be the habit whisperer.

Amy Lang  2:46  
Ah, okay, well, a little bit about me. So I grew up in Michigan, go blue, I went to University of Michigan. And I moved out to San Francisco after college, worked in financial services. I got my MBA from Fordham University. So I was out in New York for a bit and then worked in high tech for 10 years before I finally decided to pursue my passion. And that was all around health. So I had struggled with weight for since I was like 14 years old. And I became the owner of a health club of all things. So specific heights health club in San Francisco, I owned and operated that for 15 plus years. So became a personal trainer and health coach, all that good stuff. And then in November 2019, I closed the club. So this is before the pandemic shutdown. I'm very grateful for my timing. I decided I don't want to renew the lease. And I wanted to do more coaching. I really I got into this whole like how do I help people? You know, so many people new year, they want to join a health club so they can get healthier and lose weight and all that stuff. And I had seen really kind of what worked, what didn't work, and I wanted to coach people specifically on that. So close the club and founded Moxie Club, which is what I'm doing now.

Christine Li  4:15  
That is amazing. So you've been all over every zone. It sounds like every geographic zone. And every Career Zone it seems like and you're still going now you're in the entrepreneurial space with moxie club two. Can you describe what Moxie club is? I know that's the end of the story. But I'm curious myself.

Amy Lang  4:36  
So Moxie club is focused on coaching for deep health. So we're all about working with your brain and body. So when we talk about habits, I think it's yeah, I'm always talking about like, how do we make it easy? And so it's working with our brain and our body to create habits to make things easy and automatic and Because of my background, I really work mostly with women in STEM. So high tech, I got a lot of folks in wellness and health care that I work with as well. And I have some online courses, I do a lot of coaching, both not really imperson these days, some one on one coaching, but it's all online.

Christine Li  5:22  
Okay, lovely. Do you feel like this is what you're meant to do? Do you feel like this is a part of your journey, and you're headed somewhere else? Where do you think you are right now?

Amy Lang  5:34  
I, you know, I think when I think about the impact that I want to make, I remember, way back when when I first took over the health club, I said, I wanted to help people create happy, healthy lifestyles like it. And then I started getting a little more specific about wanting to help change the obesity curve, trend line. And ultimately, I decided that's really the wrong focus. For me, it really is about what it takes to be happy and healthy. And if you're doing those things, you know, like Weight Watchers, you're you become focused on the scale. That's not happiness, in my opinion. So in the world of AMI, it's more about being joyful. And I actually signed a contract. I'm going to write a book this year. Oh, congratulations.

Christine Li  6:29  
I did not know that. Ladies and gentlemen, I did not know that. So Amy draft. You're hurting your first big time. You're a success podcast. Yeah. Congratulations. That's wonderful. Thank you. And so proud of you. So I'm excited for you can't wait to see that book. Can you describe what made you understand that it was the happiness that you were going for first, rather than anything related to the weight itself, that the happiness was actually the vehicle that you would stand by?

Amy Lang  7:04  
So when I owned the health club, and I started coaching folks, one on one, so I focus primarily on women over 50, we had like a six week challenge. We called it the little black dress project, hugely successful. And when I sat down with folks, and I asked him, Why, like, why are you here? What are your goals? And I remember, the first time I heard someone say to me, I'm disgusted with my body. It broke my heart. And that thought, hasn't, you know, I can look at my body. And like, oh, I would like to tweak some things here on there. We had a sandwich board that said, birthday suits tailored here, people would come out with, like, we were on Instagram, people were posting that was funny. So but I'd never had that thought like I was disgusted with my body. And I thought it that's the place that you're coming from, to try to be better. It's not motivating. I mean, like, from the corporate world, think about like the best manager you've ever had, versus the worst manager you've ever had. How did that person make you feel? And I don't think someone external can make you feel a particular way. But what they say and what you then believe about yourself. When you feel good, that's when you're motivated to take action. That's when I think it's safe to take risks. That's when you when you get to grow. I think about like a little toddler learning how to walk. If you have to fall down to learn how to walk away, you know, the first time a little kid falls down, you wouldn't be like, What did you do with you, you would be encouraging. And that's how we learn. And that's how we grow. And so I think it was that it was coming from a place of love and kindness and care, right that we get to change and become better and figure out who we want to be and how to be healthy and healthy.

Christine Li  9:14  
It's a beautiful thought. You know, I inherently agree with that philosophy. I think you are absolutely correct that it's much easier to develop and change. If you're feeling like you are able to support yourself and you love yourself. And you're feeling positively about your chances of improvement or change. I think that goes a really long way. Was there a change within you that allowed you to be the person who was focused on happiness, rather than on a self critical zone or attitude about yourself or your body?

Amy Lang  9:53  
I actually think the change wasn't so much about it. Weight Loss. It was about understanding how much my thoughts affected how I felt, and the options that I saw available to me. So when I was in my early 30s I, so I'm the firstborn daughter of immigrants, my parents, both have master's degrees in chemistry came from Taiwan. And my dad was super strict when I was growing up, which you know, as an adult, I understand it, parents make mistakes, and they try their best all that stuff. But we don't do it perfectly. So right, you do your best. I'm not I actually don't have any kids. So not a parent, I kudos to all of you who who are doing that, because I know you're trying your best. And, but I had a lot of fights with my dad over control. And I remember at one point going through a really bad breakup in my early 30s. And I want an Ashley got three years of therapy. And during that, so my guide, there is Dr. Pam obliging her in San Francisco. And she taught me something called the wheel of awareness, which, if you go look it up, it doesn't exist as what I was taught. So I've, I've now called it the learning cycle. But I'm sure Christine, you're familiar with this is the idea around like, you have a particular situation. And from that situation, you have all these inputs into your brain. So I call them like thoughts and beliefs, right? We have a filter. And through those thoughts, we end the beliefs, we come up with an interpretation. And it's that interpretation that drives the emotion that we feel from that emotion, we then can see like, Here are the options on what am I going to choose in terms of how I respond to that. And then from that response, I get some kind of outcome, that outcome is evidence from my brain. And we have something called a confirmation bias where we keep trying to prove ourselves, right, so. So there's this mental model. And when I went to counseling, I remember I talked about having this fight with my dad. And it was one of those like foregone conclusion, I say this, he's going to do this. And off we go. And she's like, she taught me this. And I had the benefit of someone objective, who was able to go, let's pause, take a look at that thought, as if it were on a table. You are not your thoughts, right. You've heard this before. And I said, Well, this is what's going to happen. And she's like, well, what if, and we literally brainstormed all these different ways that I could respond? And I didn't want to be manipulative. I remember feeling like I didn't want to be manipulative. And she's like, well, what of these responses? Do you feel as genuine where you could communicate in a direct way that wasn't fighting or anything, right? Like you stand in your own power kind of thing. And I can't even remember what we used to fight about. But I remember going home for Thanksgiving that year. Sure enough, that situation came up. I had the benefit of all that work that I had done, I tried it. And lo and behold, my dad's response was different. And that was the beginning. For me, that was the beginning of understanding how much power that particular process had. Because I it was such an ingrained pattern. And I had all this idea at the belief that it wasn't going to change and tada in one moment, yeah. Yeah. That's a long story. But

Christine Li  13:51  
I was just gonna say it's such a fantastic, beautiful, perfect story to illustrate the power of our thinking, and the power of our belief systems. And they are systems because our family of origins are involved in creating our thought patterns in a systematic way where we're seeing scenes, and we're thinking that everything is fixed. Yeah. And we're seeing them replayed, over and over and over again, and your one story is perfect. It's such a great example of how you only need one example of the other story, you realize that it was a story all along, actually. And it might have been like a very true story. But it's still a story and stories are inherently changeable. We tell the same fairy tales over and over again until the next person tells a fairy tale. And they're telling it a totally different way like it's not Red Riding Hood anymore. She's in a different forest or she's wearing different clothing or there's a different outcome. It's okay, we'll survive, right we think as part of that story. We have To maintain the integrity of the story, we really don't. And I'm so glad that I asked these questions so that you can tell that story because it's so, so beautifully illustrative. Right? Thank you. Yes, thank you that we're responsible and in control of more than we might realize, and that we really are very powerful. When we know how to access our control of our thoughts, feelings and reactions.

Amy Lang  15:28  
It's empowering. For me it was this this moment where I understood that it was that interpretation. And I have the ability to pause and take a look at it and say, Is this true? So there's like the four questions that you've probably heard, like, is it true? Is it kind? Is it helpful? Is it necessary? So it's this awareness that nobody can actually make me feel one way or the other? It's the powers in my interpretation of what happens. So I know, like you and I met through James Wedmore. And I remember there was I was at a conference and he said, failure is an interpretation. And, you know, I was kind of like, well, who is this person? And that's how I ended up in his kind of sphere of influence was from that one statement, because he talked about the outcome you get is either one you desired, or lesson to be learned, what can you learn from this. And so I think when I look at my past, there's lots of stuff that I'm still working on letting go. But it's, it's we've talked about energy before, it's like when you're able to let it go, it frees up all this energy. So I think about what that interpretation is that I have that I can, I can reframe I can work with, to get that power back. So I

Christine Li  16:53  
love it, I'm getting a, I'll say a glimpse of your tech brain, I'm thinking because I hear your clarity, because I'm imagining as a non tech person, that you really need to see the reality for what it is to in order to be able to manipulate technology. And so if it no longer makes sense, you have to find a way that makes sense. So that's what I'm seeing, as I'm watching you tell these stories. And I love the combination of your clarity brain, and then your story brain and the fact that you can explain these things so elegantly and simply and beautifully. I think you have great ability there. And I love the blend of right and left brain that I'm observing and witnessing.

Amy Lang  17:38  
Well, thank you. I don't think I've ever had anyone told me that before.

Christine Li  17:42  
That's just that's what that's just what I'm sensing. And I think you're absolutely lovely. You know, I I've been thinking that all along. And James Wedmore, by the way, is our mutual business and entrepreneurship coach, he's lovely. I've interviewed him on the show. So go dig back in the episodes and find my conversation with James. That was a good episode too. So now I'm curious about the, the whole philosophy that you have about happiness first, and then eating and weight goals or fitness goals or strength goals? How do you now apply all this into that zone? That's so personal, that can be so fraught for people? And how do you coach people? Do you have a straight philosophy? Is it a series of steps? How do you work?

Amy Lang  18:34  
So I definitely, you know, I try to meet people where they are. So it's, what are you ready to explore? So I can go from a very basic level of like a lot of people will be will just tell me what to do. Just tell me what to do. And so then I will say, Okay, well, there are five fundamental habits if you seek lasting weight loss, and I come from this point of view. So my bathroom my Bachelor's is in psychology. So anyone who's familiar with Maslow's hierarchy of needs, you know that the basic needs like food, shelter, water? So when I look at those five habits, am I talking about working with our brain and our body? Are we putting ourselves in a state of deprivation? Or are we putting ourselves in a state of like enough abundance? And so the five habits I talked about are drinking enough water so I'm looking for half your body weight in ounces of water? Are you getting enough sleep? So I'm always saying seven to nine hours of like restful sleep, and I actually got an aura ring because I wanted to track my own so it helps to have feedback. You can have the qualitative you wake up, how do you feel and then it's nice to have some like objective data as well to you know, take a look at see if it lines up. I talk about eating five servings Is the fruits and vegetables, I think in the US diet, we tend to get enough protein, we tend not to get all the micronutrients from the clients that I've I've worked with, when I asked, on average, how much are you eating of fruits and vegetables. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say five to start with. So I say go for five, if you can do more great, nice mix of fruits and vegetables, the colors of the rainbow, all that good stuff. Number four is 30 minutes of mindful movement. And I say movement, as opposed to exercise because people have a fraught relationship with exercise. I know I did. Like I used to think to myself, if I didn't need to lose weight, I wouldn't be exercising. Right, there was this link there. I'm like, Oh, I love moving my body, what can I do define it right? What can I find that I enjoy doing. And so and then as a personal trainer, I understand the benefits of progression and strength training and all that stuff, I incorporate it. And then the fifth one is to eat until you're comfortably full, eat when you're hungry, stop when you're comfortably full. So it really is about listening to your body. So those are the five fundamental habits for lasting weight loss. That's a starting point. And from a habit standpoint, I'm talking a lot do you want me to from my,

Christine Li  21:28  
I want you to continue my

Amy Lang  21:31  
habit standpoint, I will say I talked about five. But I don't want you to pick one. And I want you to pick actually the one that you think is easiest for you. Okay, so I want to give your brain evidence that this process works. And when I say the easiest one, like if you say okay, well right now I'm drinking five glasses of water a day, and I want to go for eight. I'm like, Okay, I still can you really go from five to eight? Do you? Do you have a high confidence level in that? And if not, what about one more glass? And how specific can we get about where you're going to add that one glass? Like if you're not drinking water when you first get up in the morning, but you drink coffee? Can I stack a glass of water on top of that? So I'm looking to get super, super specific. James Wedmore calls it binary reaction. I want it to be so specific that you can literally say Yes, I did it or No, I didn't, as opposed to making it vague, because we find ways to procrastinate. So if I make it super simple, easy, then I can hopefully decrease the resistance. So pick one. I mean, I'm in California here in San Francisco Bay Area. And it's been raining like crazy for the last few. I don't know, it's coming up on three weeks. We have our 11th Storm today at the time of this recording coming. And then I think we're going to have a little break. But what happens in the new year for folks, when they think about weight loss. A lot of folks will want to try to do a complete overhaul. Right, I said five habits. And I'm telling you if you're tempted to do all five, this is kind of like California needs the rain. But we don't need it all at once. You know, I have all kinds of expressions like you're trying to boil the ocean, like, I want you to set yourself up for success. And so that's why I say Trust me, I know this process works. And there is a mindset component there, where I'm literally giving your brain evidence that this works. And that you can do it that you can be successful. And James clear in atomic habits talks about like the two minute rule where you make that habit super easy. So it's all that same thought process that I'm talking about. So anyways, I've been talking a long time. But if folks are thinking about weight loss, that would be like the most basic thing I can teach.

Christine Li  24:14  
Wonderful, and it sounds really like common sense. And yet, like you said, it's all of this stuff can be very fraught for people I know that I don't drink enough water and that I have been medically advised to do so. And so you make me think a lot about just what might be the common objections you get from people the common areas of resistance that you see and then how you work with people so that they kind of rise above the resistance.

Amy Lang  24:48  
Common resistance well for my own the health club, I would say how many times have you told yourself I hate exercise or I don't like the exercise itself or working out, but I like how I feel afterwards. So we create resistance when we say that, because why would you want to do something that you don't enjoy? I can think of some reasons. But from a motivation standpoint, we're making it harder. So then I would say, can you try to notice what you do? Enjoy about it? Can you find something that you do enjoy? Can you notice how it feels in your body? Can you be grateful that you can do certain things like I broke my shoulder, three part fracture of the humeral head 10 years ago, in a fall. And I remember how grateful I was when I could do a full pushup again, and you know, prior to then it's like, push ups, like, what a pain in the butt afterwards, I was like, Oh, I'm so grateful. I have that ability and the strength and they've recovered. So it's how do you find gratitude how you find appreciation? So in the resistance, there's a cue in the resistance, it's like, okay, I'm thinking about this a certain way. And can I come up with something else that I believe that will help me? And so, you know, some people will say, go the exact opposite. And I'm like, Okay, well, that's gonna take a lot of repetition for you to believe it. And I'm a firm believer in affirmations. But for something like a habit change like that paid, I think I just want to use little words like yet, like, you know, I can't do this yet. But I'm working on it like, so you have the but the yet and the but somewhere in there, to make it so that you actually believe it. So I'm always looking for the words that people use the Tomi that, that trade off, if you will, of doing it versus not doing it, I need to change the balance. So I don't know if that answered the question. But I'm just,

Christine Li  27:06  
I'm just sitting here quietly, because I want to hear more from you. And I love everything that you're saying. So please don't feel like you're talking too much. I am again, noting that you're like the builder of things that make sense. So again, the technical logical side is coming through. But you also have the heart of someone who is empathic and understands that change can feel really heavy and impossible, and that we can struggle. And we can come up with all sorts of language patterns that create excuses, that ended up blocking us. So I just say kudos for figuring out the nice blend of supporting people, giving them reasonable things to try. And then really knowing how to bring them through to the other side. I'm sure your clients just adore you.

Amy Lang  28:01  
Well, I'm kind of curious because you talked about drinking more water. So like, what, what kind of resistance the do you run into? So how much do you How much water do you drink right now?

Christine Li  28:12  
I won't say that. But I will say that I don't like drinking water. So that's actually a complicated thing. And just earlier today, I wondered to myself, I wonder why out of our sink faucet. We don't have seltzer water coming out because I will drink seltzer water. So it's actually a funny thing. I actually probably have increased my water intake because of medical suggestions and because it is healthier and because I do want to move in the direction of having more, but I can't say I really enjoy the actual taste of plain water. We'll put it that way. So that's my resistance. It just doesn't wake me up much.

Amy Lang  28:56  
But you like seltzer water.

Christine Li  28:58  
I pretty much

Amy Lang  28:59  
love and depend on seltzer water. Yeah. Okay. Have you gotten like one of those SodaStream thingies.

Christine Li  29:05  
I was an early adopter of those SodaStream thingies. But that has kind of gone by the wayside. So now we're buying cans and there's always cans around so the supply is not an issue. And it may be for me a little bit of a lack of tracking that might be one thing and also a little bit of a pattern of overworking. So I could work for hours on end and really just get lost and not even be drinking anything. Forget just water just even hydrating in general. And I have been wondering, do you suggest that people really have ways of tracking their habit change or the days that they skip? What do you suggest for people?

Amy Lang  29:52  
Yeah, I think it helps to. It's not just the tracking, it's also the noticing. So when I was saying Earlier, like I wanted to work on my sleep. And one of the reasons I wanted to do that was as I was learning more and more about the importance of sleep, there is research now that support from a lifestyle standpoint, by not getting enough sleep. If you have, if you're predisposed to like Alzheimer's, it could potentially be a contributing causation factor. My mom has Alzheimer's. My grandmother, my maternal grandmother also had Alzheimer's. I do not like I would if, if I'm gonna get it, I want to delay the onset as much as possible. Yes. So if sleep is a factor, how do I work on sleep? As an example? And so, yeah, I can tell like if I've gotten a good night's sleep or not, right, so I start paying attention to it. And having the aura ring in the data is just another way for for my brain to it looks for feedback. Maybe it's that tech brain, you were talking about me, right? Like I, so I pay attention to how I feel. And then I can look at the data. Sometimes I kind of go, Okay, I don't know if that algorithm is working properly. Because that's not how I feel I feel good. And it's telling me something different. So it's still about trusting how I feel. But when it comes to things like hydration, it might be even subtracting it maybe even just for a day to figure out like, Okay, I made a concerted effort. Today, I can do anything for a day, right? Like, I made a concerted effort. How did it feel? What worked? What didn't work? What can I change? How can I make it a little easier? What did I like? Or you're talking about? Like, okay, I like these sorts of things. There's lots of, you know, when it comes to hydration, like fruits and vegetables have a lot of water content too. So you don't have to drink water. There's, there's lots of other ways to get that content into your body too. So I think it's, you know, I'm always just like, let's brainstorm different ideas and see, like, what might you want to try? So it's not like, No, you got to do this. But yeah, tracking helps. Tracking helps some people like doing that some people don't. So I kind of go, Well, can you do it for three days, just so we have some data to see? And like, what are you actually tracking so that we can take a look at? Okay, well, how about we try this. So I'm very much into experimenting, and seeing what works and what doesn't work. So

Christine Li  32:45  
I love it. And I want to tell our listeners that throughout this conversation, Amy has been smiling throughout, this really seems to be work that is really aligned with her and she is just such a joyful person. And I want to invite Amy to let us all know how we can stay connected to you how we can work with you, what services you offer for people. And I want you to let us know about your podcast as well. I want people not to miss that.

Amy Lang  33:12  
Oh, okay. So before I forget, so the podcast is happy and healthy with Amy Lang. And you can find me on Apple and Stitcher, Google Spotify. I think those are the four places along with on my website. So that's Moxie hyphen club.com. And on Instagram, at habit whisper let's see LinkedIn. It's AMI dot Moxie club. Facebook. It's Amy DOMA Moxie club. If you go to my website, it's it's all there. And then as far as the work that I do, so I focus primarily on one on one coaching right now. I do have some online courses. So I have like, stop emotional eating as a starting point for a lot of folks I've noticed is helpful. And then I am actually thinking about starting like a beta coaching program on becoming a joyful eater. So as I'm sort of working through that, I'm going to let Christine know. And so if you're interested in that, definitely let me know raise your hand, I'll have like a landing page you can go to for that. And really, that's where we're going to put all of it together. So I have this, this new sort of blueprint around being becoming a joyful eater. So we talked about the basics, the fundamental five, my blueprint now I have like four pillars. So if you think about blueprint and a house, right, like if you have a house, you're gonna have a bedroom, right? So I call it a place to sleep. So I call that like the first pillar is love. And so with love, we talk about acceptance. We talk about boundaries, we talk about compassion. And really I'm trying to move us from, like, disparaging to cherishing our life, our bodies, our health, all of that. So think about that, like I say, love. So I sort of think about a house is like a bedroom, right. And then when I talk about nourish, I'm talking about our mind or body or soul. And I talked about Maslow's hierarchy. So we have nutrition, movement, sleep, but I also look at relationships. And I look at like, growth, like we as Indians, we, as people we want to grow. So how do we support that? So when I think nor to think like, well, if you have a home, you have a kitchen and dining room, right, we have to eat. And really, this is about moving from like, abusing to caring. And then the third pillar is gratitude. And I like to think of it it's like the roof, you know, we're always grateful for having a roof over our head. And so there's, this is where I really get into that whole learning cycle, where it's reflect, reframe, and then we claim so we reclaim our power. And that's really when I talk about gratitude and our relationship with like food and stuff like that we go from punishing to appreciating. And then the fourth and final pillar is trust. And there's a lot around interoception here interoception. So there's awareness, attunement, and alignment. So this is where we become aware of our thoughts, we become aware of the sensations in our body, and what they actually mean. So there's a two minutes, like the accurate interpretation of what's going on. And alignment is are we honoring, right? So are we, if we're hungry, are we eating? Are we eating the things that are going to nourish our body, all that good stuff, and so I think that's like the floor. In the blueprint, we've got the roof, we've got the floor, and then we've got the essential rooms. Okay. So that's the that sort of coaching programs that I'm working on. But that all gets weaved into all the coaching I do. I'm just going to try to formalize it a bit more. So anyways, that is go to Moxie hiking club.com That website is probably the easiest place to find out like how to work with me on stuff.

Christine Li  37:14  
That's wonderful. I invite everyone to send me a direct message on Instagram at habit Whisperer is what she's is there. And then the doors will be open to you to be able to work with her learn so much more from this wonderful woman, Soul leader, teacher, joyful eater that we have here today with us. Thank you, Amy, for sharing all of this goodness with us today.

Amy Lang  37:39  
Oh, well. Thank you so much for the opportunity. 

Christine Li  37:42  
You're amazing. I've I've loved this interview. Thank you so much.

Amy Lang  37:47  
Have a great day. Thank you. You too.

Christine Li  37:49  
Okay. Bye, everyone. We'll see you next week when the next episode drops on Thursday. Remember to subscribe rate and review this show. If you love Amy, if you love what I'm dropping every week, please support the show. In that way. I would be so grateful for that. Thank you. Bye. 

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