How to Integrate Exercise into Your Busy Life with Sarah Aspinall

Dr. Christine Li [00:00:00]:
Welcome back to the make time for success podcast. This is episode number 201. I just wanna start off by saying I really loved this episode and this interview because I had the chance to talk with the truly inspiring guest, Sarah Aspinall. Sarah is the incredible founder of breaking ballet, an innovative online ballet fitness program that she designed to make sure women had the space and the opportunity to be fit, to live in a healthy way, and to have positive mindset in their day to day lives. In the episode, we do a deep dive into Sarah's personal story, and you're going to hear Sarah very generously share the life changing moments that happened to her that also helped her to really decide what she wanted to do with the rest of her life, how she wanted to live her life in alignment with the values that were important to her. It's truly an inspiring and motivating story. So if you're looking for some strategies for getting moving again or for how to prioritize your health and well-being. Stick around, stay tuned, and let's just start listening to the episode together now.

Dr. Christine Li [00:01:21]:
Hi. I'm Dr. Christine Li, and I'm a psychologist and a procrastination coach. I've helped thousands of people move past procrastination and overwhelm so they could begin working to their potential. In this podcast, you're going to learn powerful strategies for getting your mind, body, and energy to work together so that you can focus on what's really important and accomplish the goals you want to achieve. When you start living within your full power, you're going to see how being productive can be easy and how you can create success on demand. Welcome to the make time for success podcast. Hello, my friends. Thank you so much for joining me on this episode of the Make Time For Success podcast.

Dr. Christine Li [00:02:13]:
Today, I have a lovely and wonderful and insightful guest. We have Sarah Aspinall joining us today. Sarah is the creator of Breaking Ballet. We're gonna hear all about how we can fit in exercise and make exercise happen in our busy lives. Sarah, welcome to the show. I'm so happy that you're here.

Sarah Aspinall [00:02:36]:
Thank you for having me.

Dr. Christine Li [00:02:38]:
Could you please do me a favor? Since we are new to each other, if you could introduce yourself more fully to our audience, and we're gonna get to know Sarah together.

Sarah Aspinall [00:02:49]:
Sure. Yes. I'm the founder of Breaking Ballet, which is a unique online ballet fitness program for women in midlife. And that came about it's a it's an interesting story. So I started dancing when I was 2 years old and subsequently had got a scholarship for ballet school when I was 14. But my parents are not keen on me taking that path for multitude of different reasons. And I'd always had an interest in law and the legal process, so at 14, decided I would take that path instead. So fast forward a few years, I was a lawyer in London specializing in litigation and libel, and I did that for over 10 years.

Sarah Aspinall [00:03:36]:
But it was on my 30th birthday when I visited New York with a friend. We only went out for a few days as a sort of birthday treat. And I'd been contemplating for a while a different career path at the time because I was thinking I I want to have children. How am I going to manage being a mom and working the long hours that I was working as a lawyer? And I did work really long hours and unpredictable hours. That was the other thing. So that was all in the background, and on my 30th birthday in New York, unfortunately, we were mugged at gunpoint. And so I'd had this sort of near death experience that was very surreal, and it happened on my actual birthday, which was interesting. We flew back to the UK the following day, and I was in the Court of Appeal on a case that day.

Sarah Aspinall [00:04:31]:
So I'd had a busy day and came back to the office and one of the partners said to me, how was New York? And I burst into tears and told him what happened. He said, go home. And I lived very near to the Tower of London, and so I walked home. But unfortunately, on my way home, walked into a gang of young men and was assaulted on my way home. So I haven't had a great 48 hours. Went home, shut myself in my flat, didn't leave that weekend. And that was really the catalyst for me saying, you know, or sort of reflecting and thinking, well, I've been feeling for a while that this career isn't conducive to me living the kind of life I wanna live. You know, I I had very specific values, I still do, beliefs.

Sarah Aspinall [00:05:24]:
I had a a sense of who I was as a person, but that was starting to certainly, my identity was starting to become very confused. I I kind of I didn't feel like I was living in alignment with my values. So did a lot of thinking and processing and, you know, looking at, well, what am I passionate about? What do I want to do for the rest of my life? And it always came back to ballet, always. And so, yeah, it was that time where I decided, I don't know where this is going to lead me, but I'm I'm going to go back to World Academy of Dance, retrain as a ballet teacher. And I was in a fortunate enough position. I was married at that time to to do that. I didn't know where it would take me. I spent 2 years training, taking my first born with me to tutorials and things.

Sarah Aspinall [00:06:20]:
I was amongst very young, sort of late teens, early twenties students who were, you know, thinking of teaching as well, and there I was in my early thirties as a baby. So I was very committed and did it and started teaching local classes. I was very inspired by an Australian teacher when I was at the Royal Academy of Dance who had been showing us a floor bar, so floor based movement to help students strengthen their bodies. And at the time I was pregnant, so I was pregnant in my 2nd year of my qualification, and so I wasn't allowed to lie flat on the floor, so I got to watch. And that was the time where the penny just dropped, and I was like, this is what I want to do. I want to do this fusion between ballet and fitness, which is what I had done as a lawyer. When I was working very long hours, I was really struggling to find time to exercise, which I'm sure so many women, you know, with these types of careers struggle with. And I tried kickboxing.

Sarah Aspinall [00:07:22]:
I was going to the gym very early in the morning knowing I wouldn't get an opportunity once I walked into the office. And I had been lucky enough to find a lady over from the States who was teaching the New York City Ballet at the time. It doesn't exist anymore, but and I fell in love with that. So I had that going on in the background, then I experienced this teacher on my course, and I was like, this is it. This is what I want to do, and I want to teach adults. But I started out freelancing at dance school teaching children, which I adored, then I started teaching adults, and it it just grew from there really. And I was being contacted by adults from different parts of the country because they'd seen my Facebook page asking me, you know, have you got classes here? Have you got classes then? Of course, I hadn't. So that's what prompted me to then take everything that I do online, and that's when Breaking Ballet was born.

Dr. Christine Li [00:08:15]:
Thank you so much for describing your story and the complicated path that you've been on. Those of you who are listening, Sarah and I had tried to record this episode once before. So in that failed recording, you will hear me gasp when she mentioned the mugging and then the assault because I did not know that. And I had asked in that failed recording how movements might have become the healing or how movement functioned in Sarah's life. And so I'm gonna ask that question again. If you could describe the role movement has has played in your life and your healing too.

Sarah Aspinall [00:08:58]:
Yeah. Sure. Well, I think it started at the very beginning when I was 2, and I I was a painfully shy child. My mom was quite concerned at how shy I was. I didn't like anyone looking at me. I wouldn't speak. I would hide under a skirt if, you know, any of her friends tried to talk to me. So she had started taking me to different things like gymnastics, which made it worse.

Sarah Aspinall [00:09:22]:
Lots of different play groups and things. And then she took me to ballet. And I don't know what it was. I suspect it was a combination of the teacher who was just wonderful, the live music, the pianist, the classical music, what I got to wear, and just that environment, that that whole feeling of being in that room. And I I did make my mom dance with me for 6 weeks at the back, and my mom is definitely not a ballet dancer. But she did, and then I let her leave, and I completely fell in love with it. And it is absolutely that dance that fostered the passion that I continue to have for that form of movement, for all forms of dance. I've trained in in, you know, I was tap dancer, jazz, everything when I was younger.

Sarah Aspinall [00:10:15]:
And I think that it enabled me to express myself in ways I was not able to do. Even at the early stages of going to school, I was still struggling with, you know, I would never speak up in class. If the teacher called out my name, I would go bright red. I was just I hated being in the spotlight. But if you got me to dance, I could have anyone watch me. So it was a form of expression, a form of communication. I felt safe. I felt I just felt wonderful.

Sarah Aspinall [00:10:48]:
It was pure joy for me. And that form of movement that had kinda saved me as a young child and nurtured me through those early years came full circle when I experienced, you know, the mugging and those experiences. I came back to it, and I was like, that that's, you know, it kind of almost saved me all over again because I went back into that. I, you know, previously was thinking, well, you know, health is one of my top values, and I'm not sleeping. I'm not eating well. I'm not exercising, I'm not doing any of the things I know I need to do. And so so if if I change and I do this, I'm now living in integrity, I'm living in alignment with my values where previously I hadn't. And it was not an easy decision.

Sarah Aspinall [00:11:36]:
I make it sound as though one day I was a lawyer, and the next day I became a ballet teacher. It was tough. It was really hard. I was letting go of a career that I had worked extremely hard for. I was letting go of, you know, a really high salary, all the sort of glitz and glamour that can come with that type of work, which, by that point, I was kinda getting tired of anyway. But I was traveling, I was meeting celebrities, I had, you know, what on the outside would look like, you know, quite an exciting job, but it just wasn't fulfilling for me. And so, yeah, movements is my go to whenever I need to shift my mood now, and I see that happen with clients as well. So, yeah, it's been it's been almost like therapy, I suppose, and it's got me through some really rough times.

Sarah Aspinall [00:12:30]:
And I've never stopped since, and now I spend my time helping others do the same.

Dr. Christine Li [00:12:37]:
That's beautiful. A beautiful story, and definitely full circle. And I am going to reflect again. When I heard you tell the stories of the traumatic events the second time, I noticed my own nervous system reacting. And so I'm wondering if you could tell us a little bit about the role of movement in helping you and other people to to know how to regulate their nervous system, if you could just teach us what you know about these topics.

Sarah Aspinall [00:13:10]:
I think it depends what angle you're coming at that from because there's obviously lots of different forms of movements. And a lot of the time we talk about exercise, people think, yeah, I need to exercise, not I want to. I need to exercise because I wanna lose weight or I wanna tone up. Especially when we're younger, it can be for aesthetic goals. As we get older, I'm 48 now, it, I think, changes slightly, or at least I hope it does for most people, in that we start to think more about our mental health and our physical health in terms of, you know, certainly through perimenopause. And menopause reducing those symptoms, future proofing our bodies, heart health, all the things that we all know about that we're all told you need to exercise because x y zed. But some of the things that we're not aware of are things like collective effervescence, which is was the topic of my TEDx talk that I did in 2023. And I think now that I understand more about that, that makes sense why I felt at home in my ballet class as a very young child.

Sarah Aspinall [00:14:15]:
So this collective effervescence which is this feeling of euphoria when you move together with others in synchrony, and we've all experienced it. If you've ever been to a music concert, a football match, there's chanting, there's movement. I had it last weekend when I went to the theater with a friend, and it was the last performance. The choreographer came on stage, but he had the whole theater moving. And the smiles on people's faces, it's incredibly uplifting, but that sense helps to build trust and connection with other people. So I think that side of it is important when you are thinking about your nervous system in the sense of connection with other people, which we all know community, social connection is really, really important for our health and our well-being. So that's one side of it, but the other side of it is we can't help ourselves unless we are we have an awareness of how we're already feeling. And so, for me, and it will be different for different people, ballet inspired movement has always helped me go inward and focus on my bodily sensations and how I am feeling, both emotionally, physically.

Sarah Aspinall [00:15:26]:
It almost feels like a spiritual practice to me. If you're running on a treadmill and watching something on a screen or listening to a podcast, you're not tapping into how your body feels. If you are exercising and you're using a kettlebell, you're focusing on the kettlebell. You're not necessarily focusing on your body, And I do both of those things. It's not me criticizing that form of movements. It's just me trying to explain what ballet movement has done for me. And and for different people, it'll be yoga, it'll be Tai Chi, it'll be, you know, different things. But as soon as I move, and this is what I help my clients did, move in it in a purposeful way, in a more mindful way, and, of course, with ballet, there's an artistry to it.

Sarah Aspinall [00:16:07]:
It's not you're not moving for movement's sake. You're moving with purpose to make those movements look a certain way, which requires feeling. And once you can experience that and you become more self aware, you become much more able to tap into your body, understand what is going on, identify feelings, aches and pains, upsets, tiredness, all these things. And then we can use that to help, you know, move forwards, remedy the situation. And, of course, breathing, which I know you are on board with, and it's to help calm that nervous system down, is part of ballet movement, is part of dance movement, is and and, of course, yoga and other forms of movement, is using the breath to enhance movements, to lead movement, to hold movements. And all of that, I think also combined with the classical music that I use, helps to just calm everything down and really tap into into the body and help in the same way that you would meditate to do that? It's a form of moving meditation as far as I'm concerned.

Dr. Christine Li [00:17:27]:
Yes. This is sparking so many questions in me. Thank you for that beautiful description starting from collective effervescence, which I had never I'm gonna run to your TED Talk and and watch that, but I'd never heard that. But, of course, I am a big experiencer of that because I love going to live concerts, shows, music, dancing, and I think that's something that I really just very naturally know is something that lights me up and gets me in a better mood and reminds me of the energy of this life of of our world. So thank you for giving words to that, first of all, and doing this work and educating about the power of that. I am curious about how to help more people get into regular exercise as you are, and I'm wondering if the feelings relationship is a big part of that.

Sarah Aspinall [00:18:27]:
I think it is. I think we're so busy now, especially women of our age. You know, we've been pulled in so many different directions. We might have teenage children. We might have elderly parents. You know, there's not a second that goes by where we get time to ourselves, emails, and all sorts. So, you know, we are bombarded constantly with activities and things that we need to be doing, And I don't think we help ourselves sometimes, so even when we do get 10 minutes spare, we might scroll mindlessly through socials or Netflix or or something. And it you know, I think, for me, it was a case of really just stepping back.

Sarah Aspinall [00:19:13]:
And I I think you're right. You know, because I have danced, I can't remember a time where I didn't dance. And dancers are very intuitive. Dancers know exactly how they're feeling, what's going on in the main. Of course, there's the exception for some people who have experienced trauma, who have, you know, put things away and not dealing with them, and and end up later on going through therapy to try and help work through that. We can help ourselves, and this is where I think the identity piece comes in. So often, I talk about this as part of the the process in in trying to make time to exercise. I talked about values, which is part of it.

Sarah Aspinall [00:19:57]:
So, you know, what is your value system? And if you have health at the top of that, and career comes further down the line, but you spend all your time travelling around the world for your career, you're not living in alignment with the top value, which is health. So it's it's it's an awareness not only of physical sensations, emotional sensations, it's about our belief system as well, and we don't always think about that. We think, I want to move, I need to move, I'm supposed to move, I should be moving, all these things. Actually, no, you get to move. You know, if you're able-bodied, you get to move, and that is something to be hugely grateful for. But how do you get from feeling the way you are at the moment, possibly listeners, you know, haven't moved for some years or maybe just weeks or months, how do you get from that position of doing nothing to actually moving on a regular basis? And it's a staged process, but as I say, identity is a really important part of that. And that is asking yourself, you know, who you are. How do you see yourself in the context of movement or exercise? And often, people will come into my classes new, and I will go to them and say, it's nice to meet you.

Sarah Aspinall [00:21:13]:
You know, any injuries I need to know about? Yeah, I've got injuries, but I'm really lazy. I'm really unfit, but I have all this negativity around exercise and movement. And it always sort of takes me back a bit because I was just like, this is not what I was asking, but that's interesting, and that is information that I need to know. And, yes, you're here, and I will help you move, but there's a lot of work that needs to be done around that. And the identity piece is, you know, if I say to someone, oh, you know, do you go running? And they say, oh, yeah, but I'm not very good or whatever. The difference between saying I go running and I am a runner is huge. Mhmm. But if you go running, you are a runner.

Sarah Aspinall [00:21:57]:
If you go to dance classes, you are a dancer. And if you can identify with that, there's lots of evidence to show that in terms of behavioral change, this identity piece is really important. So, yes, it's important to identify how we're feeling emotionally, and we can, you know, movement and dance can really help process some of that. I've had people in class burst into tears many times because they've started to move their body for the first time. It's done with classical music, which can bring things up, but they've opened themselves. They've opened their bodies. They've opened their minds. They've experienced the music.

Sarah Aspinall [00:22:36]:
It's very moving, and stuff comes up. But at the same time, you know, we also need to be looking at these other pieces and how the mindset completely gets in the way of us moving our bodies. It's never really a physical thing. Yes. We have injuries, but you can work around injuries. That doesn't stop you from moving your body. And it's the mindset piece that is so, so important, and that's the thing that most of us are struggling with. That's the barrier to exercise, I think.

Dr. Christine Li [00:23:09]:
I would tend to agree. I also thought as you were describing the collective effervescence and that section of the conversation. I was thinking that, you know, social connection is prioritized, and we're given free license to go meet the people we need to meet and connect with and network. But when it comes to health and exercise, it really always sounds like we have to make time for it as opposed to it being Mhmm. Just a full enriching part of our everyday life. I'm wondering what your thoughts are as to why it feels like that.

Sarah Aspinall [00:23:50]:
It's because it's not natural, which sounds weird. But when we look at our ancestors, they were moving out of necessity. So they were hunting, gathering, they had to move. Otherwise, they were not getting fed. They were getting eaten by lions, whatever. But it was born out of necessity. So now, obviously, it's not natural for us to do voluntary physical exercise. Our ancestors would have looked so perplexed if they saw us getting on running machines.

Sarah Aspinall [00:24:22]:
Like, why are you doing that? What is the point of that? You know, it's just boring. So they wouldn't have understood that. Dance has been a part of tribes and tribal tradition and everything for a long time. So dance, in a sense, is natural, but it wasn't done to stay fit. It was done for celebrations. It was done to mark occasions. It was, you know, it was part of what they did because there was what they weren't watching Netflix. Let's say that.

Sarah Aspinall [00:24:51]:
So now we are struggling to voluntarily exercise because we're not programmed to do that. But equally, we're not programmed to sit sedentary doing nothing. We need to move our bodies as our ancestors did. So we have this very awkward relationship with exercise where, you know, WIP's programmed to take the path of least resistance, and that is to sit on the sofa, order food online, to, you know, look at Netflix, do all of these things. We don't need to move off our sofa the entire day if we don't want to. We can do pretty much anything from our phone. So that poses a problem for us. So unless we can see that exercise is necessary and, to your point, enjoyable and that it's in some way rewarding, we're not gonna do it.

Sarah Aspinall [00:25:45]:
So those three things are really, really important when it comes to making exercise happen. And in terms of necessity, I mean, enjoyment, choose something you enjoy doing. You're not gonna enjoy every single time, of course, but choose something, you know, there's no point me saying you need to run if you hate running or you're unable to run because you have knee problem. That's pointless. Choose something that you enjoy doing most of the time. In terms of necessity, how do you see exercise as necessary? That's a very, very personal thing. So in other words, I ask my clients, well, what is your why? Why are you in my class? Why have you signed up for my program? Why are you here? And the answer to that question might start out being, oh, I need to drop some weight. Why do you need to drop some weight? Oh, I wanna get back in my size 12 jeans.

Sarah Aspinall [00:26:35]:
Okay. Why don't you just buy bigger jeans? No. No. No. No. I don't wanna do that. I want to be there. But why? Because I felt confident then.

Sarah Aspinall [00:26:44]:
Now we're getting somewhere. Why did being that size help you feel confident? Or why is it important to feel confident? I want to be able to walk into a room like I used to, standing tall, etcetera. So that's, you know, if you drill down, actually, a lot of people's why is not an aesthetic. It's a health reason. It's a feeling. You want to change the way you feel. So that can be someone's why. Sometimes that can be because you, yourself, have experienced a health issue or someone close to you has experienced a health issue and it scares you, and, you know, you want to make sure that you're doing all you can to protect your health.

Sarah Aspinall [00:27:27]:
Obviously, we can't ever rule out every risk, but we all know it's good for your heart, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. You know, I won't go into all of that and and how vital actually it is for for women over the age of 40 as well. We absolutely must be moving our bodies. It's such a personal thing. For me, you know, my father passed away with Alzheimer's disease when I was 26. So I was quite young when I lost him, and I don't want my children to have to go through that. So No. Protecting my brain health is right at the top of my list, and I know that movement is the absolute best thing that I can do for that.

Sarah Aspinall [00:28:06]:
So that's mine. I want to role model to my children that I am prioritizing my health, that it is not selfish to do that. And I think a lot of women worry about they feel guilty because, well, I should be I should be with my children rather than going out exercising. No. Exercise and show them, especially your daughters, I am putting myself first because no one is gonna do it for you. Role model to them, this is what's important, and no matter what, you do it. And ask for help. You know, mommy's going out here and doing and doing this and that, so you'll need to get on with that, obviously, when they're a bit older.

Sarah Aspinall [00:28:42]:
Your role models, your friends, you know, that it is important, and no one's gonna do it for us. I, hopefully, one day will have grandchildren, and the other thing is I want to be able to get up and down off the floor playing with them without holding on to something, having to take a minute, you know, everything hurting. I don't want to be like that. I want to be mobile and fluid and fun. So I've got those reasons. Those are my whys, but it will be different for each and every person. So when I don't wanna get up, you know, in the winter in the UK, and it's dark, and I wanna get up in the morning to exercise, and I'm under my duvet, and I don't wanna get up in the dark and the cold. That's what I think about.

Sarah Aspinall [00:29:21]:
It's like, why am I doing this? That, get up. It works. And I

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:25]:
have a feeling you've guaranteed that you're gonna be the most agile grandmother we've we've seen. So

Sarah Aspinall [00:29:31]:
I hate to say

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:32]:
this. I love this. I hope so too. Please give us a a quick explanation of breaking ballet because I'm sure you have motivated so many of our listeners to decide for themselves how I'm gonna make my health and my movement a priority now. So please share with us what they can access through you.

Sarah Aspinall [00:29:53]:
Yeah. So Breaking Ballet has its own membership, and that's called Backstage. And the membership platform is very, very holistic. It's not only got workouts inside there, it has, so we have 3 pillars. So you've got your movements, then we've got the healthy eating and the mindset toolbox. So as you have heard from, you know, this session, mindset is the key to unlock everything. So it's all in there. It's a wonderful, wonderful community, and quite often people have said to me, I just want the workouts.

Sarah Aspinall [00:30:26]:
I don't need everything else. They come into the community, they do the workouts, and they stay for the community because that is where they find the support. It's where I am. It's where, you know, I'm on hand to help them with any issues they have. And it's a community that is so important for us women, that connection to motivate us to continue moving. We have a calendar in there, so all the workouts are on the calendar every single day. You know what is on the calendar, so you're not wasting time procrastinating, trying to choose a workout. You don't know what you should be doing when.

Sarah Aspinall [00:31:02]:
So I I never wanted to just have a library of workouts where people have had no guidance in what they were doing. So it's very prescribed. You can just go in the library and do whatever you want if you want to. But every Sunday, I send an email and say, you know, this week, this is what's happening. These are the workouts. I have a guest expert every single month come inside the membership, as you well know, because you are going to be one of them, talking about specific topics that my members want to learn more about. So we've had lots of amazing people come in and and talk about a variety of different issues. I do live workouts every month.

Sarah Aspinall [00:31:40]:
We have challenges at the beginning of the month to get people going again if they've kind of dropped off a little bit. I'm constantly talking about the issues that we have been discussing on this session as well. So it's it's just that constant reminder for women that they are inside a caring community of like minded women led by me. But the content is driven most certainly by the members, and I try to provide them with everything that they need to keep moving. And the workouts cover a variety of different formats. So we know, as women in our forties and beyond, we need to be doing strength training, so that is in there. We know that we need to be doing cardio to protect our heart health, but a very particular type of cardio, so we're doing HIIT rather than, you know, zone 2 training and and long cardios. And then all the restorative work, so the stretching, the mindful movement, the body scans.

Sarah Aspinall [00:32:39]:
So exactly what we were talking about, tapping into that central nervous system and calming things down. So it's a complete package for people that want to do something slightly different to music that, you know, want to become more self aware, I guess, and experience that lovely artistic way of moving.

Dr. Christine Li [00:33:01]:
That is beautiful. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you for creating this experience of collective effervescence for women who are interested in really rooting exercise into their daily lives, which I think is a beautiful a beautiful mission. Truly, truly. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being here.

Dr. Christine Li [00:33:20]:
I know you have a free download for our listeners, and I know it's called Making Exercise Happen. Is that correct?

Sarah Aspinall [00:33:29]:
Yeah. I think it's on the website, it's breakingballet.com making exercise happen. Yeah. But you you have the link, but it's it's it contains some of what, we've spoken about. So it's this the key steps to actually getting yourself moving. So I do talk about the necessity, the enjoyment, and the the reward that we didn't really tap into today, but and and various other mindset techniques that will keep you moving. Yeah.

Dr. Christine Li [00:33:59]:
Okay. The link will be in the show notes. I'm also gonna create it right now. It's gonna be maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/exercise. Again, it's maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/exercise. And I just advise anyone who's listening and who wants to stay in touch with Sarah to get that download, and then you'll be in her universe, which is a lovely universe indeed. So, Sarah, thank you. Thank you.

Dr. Christine Li [00:34:26]:
Thank you for bearing with me as we navigated the tech issues and for being my new friend and my new mentor. And I look forward to meeting you soon in your membership, and thank you so much for your time today. It was amazing.

Sarah Aspinall [00:34:41]:
Yeah. Thank you, Christine. I really appreciate it. Thank you for inviting me and and listening to my story as well. I really appreciate it.

Dr. Christine Li [00:34:48]:
Pure pleasure. Alright, everyone. You know where to find me next week. We'll have a next episode on Thursday. Thank you so much for being here. Take care, and have a great one. Bye. Thank you for listening to this episode of the Make Time For Success podcast.

Dr. Christine Li [00:35:04]:
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